Property

Oct. 17th, 2005 01:26 pm
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Property is theft. -- P.J. Proudhon

Property is liberty. -- P.J. Proudhon

Property is impossible. -- P.J. Proudhon

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. -- Ralph Waldo
Emerson


That last one gets me every time!

So what is property?

To what extent do you control what you own, and to what extent does it control you? You control what your home looks like, but to move it, is difficult. If you're in a mobile home, moving may be easy, but not free, and changing the layout is difficult.

Look at your car. You own it, but you're at the mercy of so many rules regarding where and how fast you can drive it, and you need permission to use it.

Look at your TV, do you own it? or is it the other way around?

Every possession is controlled by others in some way, so if the possessor is the controller, how many of your possessions own you?

The land your home is built on is owned by the government. You have a freehold licence to build and live there, but that land, ultimately, was stolen from someone. This is most evidently true in the US, but even in the UK, the land was stolen by robber barons who then turned the country into a monarchy.

People died for the land we walk on, and lost it so that we can live under the illusion that we own it.

What do you think?

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Date: 2005-10-17 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monkey.livejournal.com
Can I get a coffee in me first before I have to think?

Ultimately, we own nothing.

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Date: 2005-10-17 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
Do we own our own minds?

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Date: 2005-10-18 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neneithel.livejournal.com
I think we are our own minds.

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Date: 2005-10-18 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
But controlling what gets put in there is becoming more and more difficult...

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Date: 2005-10-17 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
And yes, Coffee first!

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Date: 2005-10-17 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeofloki.livejournal.com
I own my property.
I know this because I call no man "Master", nor any god "Lord". So I will not be owned by an object.
I own my things because I do not need them. I own them because I understand how easily they can be sacraficed.
Rules for driving?
It is only a rule if you choose to obey. It is not the car's fault that you driving is governed. You choose to obey the rules of the road, out of pragmatism, if nothing else. I definately own my tv. It's been more than three months since I've turned it on, anyways.
My possessions do not own me because I deny their influence.

(no subject)

Date: 2005-10-17 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
So if you haven't turned your TV on for 3 months, why do you have one?

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Date: 2005-10-17 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeofloki.livejournal.com
1. I got it for Christmas
2. My PS2 that I haven't turned on for even longer
3. It's something to put my legoes and empty Mnt. Dew cans on
4. In case I decide to watch porn.

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Date: 2005-10-18 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
You are a unique individual :D

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Date: 2005-10-18 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeofloki.livejournal.com
Yeah...
Am I to take that as a veiled insult?

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Date: 2005-10-18 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
Not at all, my friend. :)

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Date: 2005-10-18 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neneithel.livejournal.com
As a druid, I believe we do not own the land, but serve it.

We differ on one thing. I am a monarchist, but I expect great things of a monarch and I believe that a king should be the most devoted servant of the land, not master over it.

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Date: 2005-10-18 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
It would take a unique king... Power corrupts and all that...

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Date: 2005-10-18 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neneithel.livejournal.com
The closest I know of were the Welsh Princes, Rhodhri Mawr, Rhys ap Gruffydd and Llewelyn.

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Date: 2005-10-18 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
I was thinking Gandhi... :D

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