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I am a Muslim

I do not believe in Organised Religion

How do these two statements coexist?

Organised Religion is an exercise in delusion. Using Islam as an example, there is so much to the religion that the people in charge hide from us. At times, you year the speeches thrown out with fervour to the masses, and you bother to go and look up the details, and you find so much of it is bullshit.

Organised Religion is control, it's a way for those who are thirsty for power to lead the masses like sheep into thinking what they want them to think.

Religion is between you and your God. If you choose a faith, or if it chooses you, I say verify everything your spiritual leaders tell you, even if it's about other religions.

As an example, the mosque leaders denounce gays, but in the Koran, it says sodomy is banned for the faithful.
Elsewhere it says you must respect the beliefs of your fellow man.

The only logical interpretation taking into account the whole book, is that a Muslim Gay Male isn't allowed to have sex with his partner. If a Non-Muslim does it, then their chosen path should be treated with respect, not derision.

You'll notice how I use respect as opposed to tolerance. While others preach tolerance as if speaking of a wilful child, the religion I follow specifies respect. Respect for the laws of the land you live in, and following them when they take precedence over the laws of the faith, i.e. crime and punishment. Respect for the beliefs of others, not forcing your own set of values on them.

I get sick and fed up of what our own damned priests spout that it's no wonder so many things about Islam are misconstrued.

On top of that, some SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS after the death of the Prophet (and it was clearly and often stated that Mohammed (P.B.U.H.) was the last prophet BTW), some guy called bin Wahab comes along claiming to know everything. He started all these rules about suicide bombing, women having to cover themselves from head to toe, and women shouldn't be heard when they walk. He cut out all respect for the women who helped build and spread the religion, and set up a strong base of followers in Afghanistan. A lot of what is done in the name of Allah his done by these Wahabi's and not by Muslims.

And as far as the Hijab goes, that is an addition to the religion, and in Islam, there's no such thing as dogmatic law, there's no Whatever you hold true on earth, I'll hold true in heaven, so making Hijab necessary, when you take the whole book into perspective, is illegal. The Koran only says that a woman should dress modestly in public and cover her bosom. And, what is usually forgotten, is that the same rules of modesty apply to men.

I've posted a lot on suicide bombing and it's illegality in Islam already, so I won't go into that now.

So yeah, organised religion can pucker up and kiss my ass.

I got a bit excited here, ya think?

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Date: 2005-11-18 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neneithel.livejournal.com
It's thje same in Christianity. Christ said two things mattered, loving God and loving each other. He even said don't judge, yet we have made a religion that judges, bullies and controls others.

Organised religion always has the danger of human egos taking over. What matters is the individual's relationship with God, and whether you call God Allah, Jehovah or Goddess is irrelevant.

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Date: 2005-11-18 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
Yep, a spiritual leader should teach understanding, not lecture of his own fears.

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Date: 2005-11-18 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hypovex.livejournal.com
you know I respect you as a muslim n' all, but if we ever meet you and I ask to frisk you for explosives, like, don't take it personally or anything.

(/bad joke)

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Date: 2005-11-18 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hypovex.livejournal.com
heh, more on point though, I'm with ya on that one 100%

Organized religion has as much power in the world as the government.

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Date: 2005-11-18 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
In some cases more, I'd say. The local leaders have a lot more influence on what people are thinking than the government, and that's very scary thought

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Date: 2005-11-19 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arctic-wolf.livejournal.com
This is pretty much my stance on organised religion, too. I make a personal distinction between religion and spirituality/faith, because I see the latter two as being what really matters.

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Date: 2005-11-19 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowshape.livejournal.com
me too;
couldnt have put it better y'all
love and blessed be
xxx

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Date: 2005-11-19 10:01 am (UTC)

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Date: 2005-11-19 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
Definitely :)

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Date: 2005-11-19 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pandoralily.livejournal.com
i'm technically jewish, but i don't belive. i still go to services (against my will) and i sit there and look at humanity and struggle with how people can belive in some force that sneezed and created the world. it's a way to distract us from the nothingness of death. that's all it is.

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Date: 2005-11-22 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
You go against your will? Why?

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Date: 2005-11-21 09:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fayruz.livejournal.com
As a fellow Muslim, I could not have put it better or more articulately than that. It's exactly how I feel about religion.

And I despair that all those Wahabis seem to have taken residence in my country of origin and have decided to turn a country that 25-30 years ago was the most secular country in the region into the extremist haven that it is now.

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Date: 2005-11-21 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
The problem is, that we can't do much about it except talk, while they continue to spread their crap around the world...

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