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[ayoub]

Torture, Bombs, and Iran calling for a withdrawal.

One man said he had been whipped with a cable and then had salt rubbed in the wound, while another said his captors had tried to pull out his toenails.

What kind of person does that to another human being?

The fact that both Bush and Blair have been through elections since this war started, and have survived despite all their lies, scheming, and warmongering, is evidence that either the democratic process doesn't work, or the majority want blood for blood's sake. If the latter is true, then I want to find a new planet.

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[kay.livejournal.com]

Well, you do have to realize that the war we read about here and all these things are not being told/written in the US. The propoganda there is amazing. People are brainwashed and kept dumb ..

How Blair could've survived the elections is beyond me ..

[ayoub.livejournal.com]

The only way he survived is because the Tory party wanted the war just as much as he did, and the liberals have no leader.

A lack of options, but at least he's getting defeated now by his own back benchers :)

[neneithel.livejournal.com]

Democracy has never been a very good system.

[ayoub.livejournal.com]

Until it's one person-one vote, it won't be.

[fayruz.livejournal.com]

One man said he had been whipped with a cable and then had salt rubbed in the wound, while another said his captors had tried to pull out his toenails.

That kind of stuff - and much much worse - was being done under Sadam Hussein's regime all the time and for the slightest reasons, such as owning a satellite dish, or switching the channel when he came on tv. And there was no end in sight.

As horrible as war is, this one was necessary and nothing that's happened since has been worse than what was happening before.

[ayoub.livejournal.com]

The war and the continued occupation of Iraq is wrong.

Saddam has been deposed, and that is a good thing, I'll agree, but he could have been gotten rid of a long time ago.

Saddam was funded and armed by the US throughout the Iran Iraq War. He comitted all of his atrocities with American technology, that was sold to him gleefully by the corporates in the US. They set him up, and then they tried to be heroes in bringing him down.

Ultimately, the entire thing is for money.

[fayruz.livejournal.com]

Apart from the first sentence, I agree 100% with the rest. I have no illusions about the purity of their motives for the war. Of course it's for money. They don't give a shit about the people who make up the nation.

But the fact is that he was in power for 20 odd years and and he was torturing and destroying his own people and the whole world was sitting back watching.

But for the people who are living in Iraq and were directly suffering under his rule, the war was a Godsend. They don't care what the motives were, they just wanted him gone and now he is. And because he's gone, because of the war, my father was able to go back and see his brothers and sisters who he hadn't seen for 30 years and countless other families were re-united and that would never have been able to happen if the war hadn't gotten rid of him.

[ayoub.livejournal.com]

That is a positive side that I overlook too often...

Although I'll never say that any war is good, I agree that the removal of Saddam has benefited Iraq.

What's your opinion of the Shi'ite - Sunni conflict there at the moment?

[neneithel.livejournal.com]

Actually, Iraqis say that Saddam attacked only those who were his enemies whereas the coalition are indiscriminate in their atrocities. Also, he had the will to do evil, but often not the resources (except when the US supplied poison gas for him to kill the Kurds etc). The US forces have all the resources they need, including the kinds of chemical weapons they falsely accused him of having.

[shadowshape.livejournal.com]

oh god, oh good god;
no.
no words, tonight, Ayoub; just love
blessed be
xxx

[pandoralily.livejournal.com]

i do belive that i have survived the brainwashing and propaganda. torture is a nasty example of the possibilities in human nature. we should have never gone to war. and now my people are just starting to wake up to this. and what have i said from the begining? no war for oil. and they pick it up now! i hate stupid humans...

[fayruz.livejournal.com]

What Iraqis say that? Saddam attacked everyone. 5 year old kids in kindergarten are asked by their teachers what happens when Saddam comes on tv and if the kid says that the tv is switched off or their dad swears at the tv, the whole family is gunned down in the street infront of the whole neighbourhood.

My grandparents and whole extended family live there and the stories they've told us about what used to go on belong in a horror movie, you wouldn't even believe it.

At least when someone dies from a bomb blast now their family knows where and why and when. As tragic as that is, it's better than having your loved ones disappear in the dead of the night never to be heard from again and then finding their body in a mass grave 10 years later.

[fayruz.livejournal.com]

What you were saying in your post the other day - that it has sod-all to do with religion or faith and is just a power struggle between two groups who want to gain control and want to keep people brainwashed!

What's being done in the name of Muslims everywhere, including us, is just mind boggling!

[kay.livejournal.com]

It was so very scary right after the war started .. it was like we were watching an entirely different war.

You're not alone ... 50% of America agrees with you :)

[ayoub.livejournal.com]

I know... But can we get enough people to make a stand?