Ahh, there it is... I guess when I am talking about wanting to believe in something else, my mind doesn't or wasn't in any shape or way going to belief in religion, or god, or God, or any savious, sorry.
In those cases on some level I agree, it is most often fear based, but there is love there as well, I think it is a combination. It depends how you view the thing you chose to believe in. But I guess it is a hole within you that you need to fill with something else that lets in invade who you are, so that lack of self believe, self love leaves open a fear hole, so yeah, I see.
I want to believe that the world is a good place and that most people are in their hearts, good people. Logically and through experience I know this isn't actually factual, at least within my persepctive and life. But is it fear to believe in a religion that tells you to love all mankind and treat them with respect and that they are essentialy good? If more people chose to believe in such things, would the world indeed be a better place and would more people be truly kinder etc.
The word redundant for me, doesn't work in this phrase, but I think I see where you are going.
For me personally, I have no need for outside sources (spiritual or religious) to believe in. I do think for some it can enhance your already strong self belief. Don't you find that people chose to believe in what suits them already? So on some level their external belief is an extension of their self belief, and for them strengthens their internal self belief?
I do feel the need to at least have people that I can love and trust and believe in completly, or else my self belief becomes more of a prison then a comforting place. To share the strength and conviction of self is in my eyes a great gift, a nurturing one.
I am not talking organised religion I am completly and totally no into that on any level.
People do choose to believe in whatever thoelogy / spirituality fits them most closely, although, there are those that are so conditioned that they never analyse themselves enough to explore any other options.
The perfect belief in self should need no external reinforcement, but then, how many people believe so strongly in themselves? Doing that takes tremendous strength of character, and the ability to know and accept even the most unsavoury parts of self, the parts that you never want to share...
I am or have been pretty close to totally self belief. I find that other's really have a hard time with me, they see it as somehow being arrogant or uncaring at times. My mother doesn't understand why I don't care what other's on a deep level think of me, that my self worth is not tied up in their images of me.
It is a life long journey, self discovery, self acceptance, self love and ultimatly 100% self belief. I still believe you can have self belief totally and still need the love that come sin the sharing and total belief in another, but I think this is hard to find and rare.
Thanks for this discussion, really, really interesting and has given me a lot to think about. Cheers! *s*
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Date: 2006-04-24 09:45 am (UTC)In those cases on some level I agree, it is most often fear based, but there is love there as well, I think it is a combination. It depends how you view the thing you chose to believe in. But I guess it is a hole within you that you need to fill with something else that lets in invade who you are, so that lack of self believe, self love leaves open a fear hole, so yeah, I see.
I want to believe that the world is a good place and that most people are in their hearts, good people. Logically and through experience I know this isn't actually factual, at least within my persepctive and life. But is it fear to believe in a religion that tells you to love all mankind and treat them with respect and that they are essentialy good? If more people chose to believe in such things, would the world indeed be a better place and would more people be truly kinder etc.
I don't know, just something I think about.
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Date: 2006-04-24 09:50 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-24 09:56 am (UTC)For me personally, I have no need for outside sources (spiritual or religious) to believe in. I do think for some it can enhance your already strong self belief. Don't you find that people chose to believe in what suits them already? So on some level their external belief is an extension of their self belief, and for them strengthens their internal self belief?
I do feel the need to at least have people that I can love and trust and believe in completly, or else my self belief becomes more of a prison then a comforting place. To share the strength and conviction of self is in my eyes a great gift, a nurturing one.
I am not talking organised religion I am completly and totally no into that on any level.
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Date: 2006-04-24 10:17 am (UTC)People do choose to believe in whatever thoelogy / spirituality fits them most closely, although, there are those that are so conditioned that they never analyse themselves enough to explore any other options.
The perfect belief in self should need no external reinforcement, but then, how many people believe so strongly in themselves? Doing that takes tremendous strength of character, and the ability to know and accept even the most unsavoury parts of self, the parts that you never want to share...
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Date: 2006-04-24 10:23 am (UTC)I am or have been pretty close to totally self belief. I find that other's really have a hard time with me, they see it as somehow being arrogant or uncaring at times. My mother doesn't understand why I don't care what other's on a deep level think of me, that my self worth is not tied up in their images of me.
It is a life long journey, self discovery, self acceptance, self love and ultimatly 100% self belief. I still believe you can have self belief totally and still need the love that come sin the sharing and total belief in another, but I think this is hard to find and rare.
Thanks for this discussion, really, really interesting and has given me a lot to think about. Cheers! *s*