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Where do you find certainty?

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pan16.livejournal.com

I find certainty in my own personal experience.

But to tell the truth, I do in fact believe some things that aren't exactly "proven" to me. Like, if I look at a map of France and I see that Paris is located in a certain place I am inclined to believe what the map tells me.
But in general I think that, until one offers proof of something, we shouldn't necessarily NOT believe them, nor should we BELIEVE them. I think it's more fitting, when one doesn't know, to simply accept that and say, "I don't know." It sounds pretty simple, but I also think that it is very hard for most people to stay balanced in this state of not-knowing. A lot of times I notice people invent answers rather than admit that they don't know. Or, if they do admit it, they can't keep it up for long and must "find" an answer, even if it is only a figment of their imagination.

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A lot of people will give an answer based on their own view of the world, and their view may be markedly different from your own...

There are certain facts though, that are accepted by all, and the general accuracy of cartography is one of them ;)

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sometimes it is faith within oneself...
sometimes it is faith in another...
sometimes it is facts...
...or a combination fo the three

sometimes one just wants to believe in something so bad, they do, no rhyme nor reason, just because we want to.

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Yes... the need to believe in something can be irrational, and it's mostly driven by fear...

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fear, really? Hmm... I can see that sometimes, but always? Do you think that is really most often the case? I want to believe in my best friend and that they will always be there for me, is that based in fear or love?

I realise that all emotions stem from either fear or love, so statistically, the need to believe would sometimes feed off of fear. Hmm, really interesting, something to think about.

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Love empowers you to believe in yourself...

Fear makes you want to believe in a saviour...

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Ahh, there it is... I guess when I am talking about wanting to believe in something else, my mind doesn't or wasn't in any shape or way going to belief in religion, or god, or God, or any savious, sorry.

In those cases on some level I agree, it is most often fear based, but there is love there as well, I think it is a combination. It depends how you view the thing you chose to believe in. But I guess it is a hole within you that you need to fill with something else that lets in invade who you are, so that lack of self believe, self love leaves open a fear hole, so yeah, I see.

I want to believe that the world is a good place and that most people are in their hearts, good people. Logically and through experience I know this isn't actually factual, at least within my persepctive and life. But is it fear to believe in a religion that tells you to love all mankind and treat them with respect and that they are essentialy good? If more people chose to believe in such things, would the world indeed be a better place and would more people be truly kinder etc.

I don't know, just something I think about.

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Do you think that believing in self makes the need for believing in anything else more or less redundant?

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The word redundant for me, doesn't work in this phrase, but I think I see where you are going.

For me personally, I have no need for outside sources (spiritual or religious) to believe in. I do think for some it can enhance your already strong self belief. Don't you find that people chose to believe in what suits them already? So on some level their external belief is an extension of their self belief, and for them strengthens their internal self belief?

I do feel the need to at least have people that I can love and trust and believe in completly, or else my self belief becomes more of a prison then a comforting place. To share the strength and conviction of self is in my eyes a great gift, a nurturing one.

I am not talking organised religion I am completly and totally no into that on any level.

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Organised religion and me don't really get on...

People do choose to believe in whatever thoelogy / spirituality fits them most closely, although, there are those that are so conditioned that they never analyse themselves enough to explore any other options.

The perfect belief in self should need no external reinforcement, but then, how many people believe so strongly in themselves? Doing that takes tremendous strength of character, and the ability to know and accept even the most unsavoury parts of self, the parts that you never want to share...

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Agreed, on all points.

I am or have been pretty close to totally self belief. I find that other's really have a hard time with me, they see it as somehow being arrogant or uncaring at times. My mother doesn't understand why I don't care what other's on a deep level think of me, that my self worth is not tied up in their images of me.

It is a life long journey, self discovery, self acceptance, self love and ultimatly 100% self belief. I still believe you can have self belief totally and still need the love that come sin the sharing and total belief in another, but I think this is hard to find and rare.

Thanks for this discussion, really, really interesting and has given me a lot to think about. Cheers! *s*

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jaebird.livejournal.com

Hope, and wanting to believe at that time

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Wanting to believe?

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jaebird.livejournal.com

If I don't want to believe in something, I won't. It could be right in front of my eyes, and I'll ignore it most likely

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teardrops7.livejournal.com

I do not 'need' anything to believe, if you are talking about 'spirituality', I 'know', that is all I need...it is my survival.

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No evidence? No miracles?

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teardrops7.livejournal.com

No evidence? No miracles?.....if you mean a young child being horribly abused trying to take her life and being saved by what I refer to as the 'White Lady'...there is proof, but no I do not need any...my survival is proof enough.

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Proof indeed :)

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wait.livejournal.com

Time.

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Time? You mean, if you think about it long enough, you'll believe?

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wait.livejournal.com

I think time helps me believe. But time won't always make me believe.

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Single-malt scotch curry goat tacos. That'll either make me believe or kill me.

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Curry goat tacos? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Yes and marinated with a single-malt scotch to boot. Admit it, you're curious! =)

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Sounds like a drunken heart attack waiting to happen!

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Nah, the scotch just tenderizes the goat and leaves a nice taste and the curry jazzes it up some. The alcohol evaporates while the meat is being cooked leaving a good aftertaste. Add the fine chunks of the goat to the taco shell with cheese, and the salsa and I'll bet you have a nice meal!

If anyone tries it, let me know how it tastes. I know fuck-all about cooking! =)

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voldelange.livejournal.com

if i have to believe in me,my parents or God i don't need anything to make me believe,but to believe in someone else i think i need time,because in time that person will proof if it's worth believing in him/her.

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Good answer :)

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fox-bard.livejournal.com

Personal undeniable evidence.

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I like the "personal" caveat...

I agree though...

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Yes, but do you agree with the curry goat tacos? Come on! Tell me they wouldn't be nummie!

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Definitely!

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donnickcottage.livejournal.com

Proof. Otherwise it's just a guess.

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Solid answer, my friend :)

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a removal of the part of my brain that makes me cynical

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LMAO!

You're too young to be cynical!

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you would be surprised, love.

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You'll heave to explain it some day...

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(((age + scorn of peers in middle school) x (being jewish in carrol county))/(how uninvolved my synagog is with teens^no kids my age at all)) + revelation during yom kippor that everyone was begging for their wellbeing to nothing brought on from fasting x hating missing school twice x passover at school sucks + apathy + cynism + angst + "youth" = lack of belief

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That's a lot to go through...

*hugs*

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oh, sorry.
cynism = sarcasm + angst+ anger at world and injustice

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