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ayoubIsrael and Palestine.
Before proceeding, read up on your recent history here.
Now this is where, if you're easily offended by very negative words against Israel or Palestine, you will stop reading.
Still with me? Okay.
As the article I linked to above states:
During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain turned the problem over to the United Nations.
This should have been nipped in the bud back then. Troops should have come in and separated the two nations with embargoes put into effect regarding the purchase of arms.
The U.N. put in Resolution 181 (II) in 1947. This was largely ignored by Israel. This is something Israel as a nation have done repeatedly through the sordid history of its existence. Again, the U.N. should have sent troops in to ensure this peace process wasn't derailed.
Of course, 1n 1967, Israel became a bigger bully, throwing its weight around and stealing land from Egypt and Jordan. Security Council Resolution 242 ordered Israel to withdraw, but they didn't. Israel have ignored the world for a very long time.
I'm assuming you've read the rest of the document I linked to in the beginning, so I'll stop quoting it :P
Israelis and Palestinians have been at each other's throats since Israel was formed. Frankly, they've been at it long before then, too.
Israel is the more powerful force in this, and that is because of the support it has from many nations worldwide, not least of which is the U.S.A. Palestinians have been kept oppressed in Israel because of the power that the government wields.
According to the ACRI (the Association for Civil Rights in Israel):
The Palestinian population (excluding refugees) is around 5.3 million. About 3.9 million live in occupied Gaza and the West Bank, and another 1.4 million are Israeli citizens comprising 20% of the population of 7,150,000. They live mainly in three heartlands - the Galillee in the north, along the "Little Triangle" in the center, and the Negev in the south. They get no rights afforded Jews even though Israeli Arabs are citizens, have passports and Ids and can vote in Knesset elections. Even so, they're nonpersons, are systematically abused, neglected, and are confined to 2% of the land plus another 1% for agricultural use.
This level of human rights abuses has gone on for forty years, despite outcries, and despite the United Nations forming roadmap after roadmap.
It's been hypothesised by greater minds than mine that there is a chain of abuse. An abused person often becomes an abuser, and in my mind, I can't get away from the idea that this has happened to many Israelis. After suffering the abuses of the Holocaust, they are doing the same thing to Palestinians.
But then, the Palestinians aren't saints. They've resorted to killing civilians with suicide attacks, and random rockets. They've not tried to follow the roadmaps either, especially the latest one. Electing a terrorist organisation like Hamas is not a move for peace.
The only time there will be peace in that region, is if the entire area is nuked. Leave nothing standing, not even Jerusalem. If there's no land for these two violent and unapologetic nations to fight over, maybe they'll stop fighting.
Before proceeding, read up on your recent history here.
Now this is where, if you're easily offended by very negative words against Israel or Palestine, you will stop reading.
Still with me? Okay.
As the article I linked to above states:
During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain turned the problem over to the United Nations.
This should have been nipped in the bud back then. Troops should have come in and separated the two nations with embargoes put into effect regarding the purchase of arms.
The U.N. put in Resolution 181 (II) in 1947. This was largely ignored by Israel. This is something Israel as a nation have done repeatedly through the sordid history of its existence. Again, the U.N. should have sent troops in to ensure this peace process wasn't derailed.
Of course, 1n 1967, Israel became a bigger bully, throwing its weight around and stealing land from Egypt and Jordan. Security Council Resolution 242 ordered Israel to withdraw, but they didn't. Israel have ignored the world for a very long time.
I'm assuming you've read the rest of the document I linked to in the beginning, so I'll stop quoting it :P
Israelis and Palestinians have been at each other's throats since Israel was formed. Frankly, they've been at it long before then, too.
Israel is the more powerful force in this, and that is because of the support it has from many nations worldwide, not least of which is the U.S.A. Palestinians have been kept oppressed in Israel because of the power that the government wields.
According to the ACRI (the Association for Civil Rights in Israel):
The Palestinian population (excluding refugees) is around 5.3 million. About 3.9 million live in occupied Gaza and the West Bank, and another 1.4 million are Israeli citizens comprising 20% of the population of 7,150,000. They live mainly in three heartlands - the Galillee in the north, along the "Little Triangle" in the center, and the Negev in the south. They get no rights afforded Jews even though Israeli Arabs are citizens, have passports and Ids and can vote in Knesset elections. Even so, they're nonpersons, are systematically abused, neglected, and are confined to 2% of the land plus another 1% for agricultural use.
This level of human rights abuses has gone on for forty years, despite outcries, and despite the United Nations forming roadmap after roadmap.
It's been hypothesised by greater minds than mine that there is a chain of abuse. An abused person often becomes an abuser, and in my mind, I can't get away from the idea that this has happened to many Israelis. After suffering the abuses of the Holocaust, they are doing the same thing to Palestinians.
But then, the Palestinians aren't saints. They've resorted to killing civilians with suicide attacks, and random rockets. They've not tried to follow the roadmaps either, especially the latest one. Electing a terrorist organisation like Hamas is not a move for peace.
The only time there will be peace in that region, is if the entire area is nuked. Leave nothing standing, not even Jerusalem. If there's no land for these two violent and unapologetic nations to fight over, maybe they'll stop fighting.
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Date: 2009-01-05 03:03 am (UTC)But...I do respect your reasons for not getting into that. I don't agree, but I do respect it.
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Date: 2009-01-05 12:58 pm (UTC)I just spit my tea!
:D
And yeah... I've gone on enough anti religious rants recently... Although, there may be a new one brewing :D
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Date: 2009-01-05 01:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-01-05 01:45 pm (UTC)A laugh is a good thing! :D
And yes... But again, this is why I was hesitant to post on this topic. Once religion gets involved, things get messy.
If I could, I'd do an air-drop of Sam Harris' excellent book "The End of Faith" around the whole region, and hope that it wakes a few people up!
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Date: 2009-01-05 01:52 pm (UTC)Heh, if I win the lottery, I collaborate with you to make that happen. :D
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Date: 2009-01-05 01:58 pm (UTC)Nothing is worse than being so blinded by faith that killing for it is deemed acceptable...
And all this while claiming to follow a benevolent deity...
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Date: 2009-01-05 02:11 pm (UTC)