I think it's because they step aside too much for their so-called friends. Sometimes, to get what you want, you have to step on a few toes. It doesn't make anyone a bad person to do so. But when there is something that more than one person wants, somebody has to lose. But that also doesn't mean that there won't be other opportunities for the "loser". I think more nice guys would do good to realize that and just go for it. If somebody hates you for it, than they are not worth the time or effort.
Because nice guys are too quick to compromise, to be stand aside for others, to do the right thing, thnking, hoping everyone else would do the same in return, but unfortunatly in the self-centred, 'me, me, me' culture we live in this doesn't happen.
The nice guy does something wonderful, sacrificing and the arsehole gets ahead, because no one was there to see the nice person do their nice thing.
Can you tell I am bitter about this or what? *L* Nice people are treated shabbily in this world, it is appauling. Nice = Weak to many, how foolish. I try to practice 'Nice w/ an Edge', seems to balance out better. *L*
In my experience I have encountered way too many nice guys that are too shy to even ask me out. We then become friends and they later tell that they wanted to when they first met me. Or they wait years to do so. Don't get me wrong.. I like nice guys and seem to be plagued with men that treat me like dirt.. but I think that's due to my need to have man with a dominating personality. You gotta have some balls and give me a run for my money.. and you gotta go for what you want. Sheryl Crow's song "Are you strong enough to be my man?" sums it up pretty well for me. So I am gonna have to disagree with the previous poster. I have met wayyy too many "nice" guys that I would consider, yes, weak! Not because they are nice... but because they are weak.
I want to preface this by stating that I might have to go on a rant about this as we explore this because it's a question that, over the last 20 years, has stirred up much vitriol in my being.
The simple answer to this is because they're too nice. Too much of anything is bad, including being too nice. If you cow every time, people don't respect you. If you wait too long for the timing, you miss the window. If you go too slow, she'll think you aren't interested and move on to Patrick from Coupling.
It should be pointed out that assholes that finish last are also too much the asshole.
Because just like men, women don't want a complete pushover. They want someone who will challenge them mentally. Someone who won't bend over backwards and give them everything.
I actually really like yndy's answer, that after we've gone and dated the *not* nice ones, once we finally meet a nice one, we stop and stay :-)
But also in my experience, the "nice guys" sometimes suffer from lack of self-confidence and extreme shyness, so often don't go after the girls they want or don't think they can get the girls they want. Dan was that way -- when we first started talking, he didn't think he deserved me and couldn't understand why I would want to be with him. Somedays I think he still takes that attitude, but luckily he's coming around :-)
because they can? fate is very cruel? i think it takes a bit of bitterness to live life, and those who try to supress it only end up hurting themselves.
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Date: 2006-03-15 09:18 am (UTC)I just woke up with that thought...
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Date: 2006-03-15 08:52 am (UTC)we give to everyone else and not to ourselves
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Date: 2006-03-15 09:32 am (UTC)The nice guy does something wonderful, sacrificing and the arsehole gets ahead, because no one was there to see the nice person do their nice thing.
Can you tell I am bitter about this or what? *L* Nice people are treated shabbily in this world, it is appauling. Nice = Weak to many, how foolish. I try to practice 'Nice w/ an Edge', seems to balance out better. *L*
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Date: 2006-03-15 12:18 pm (UTC)The simple answer to this is because they're too nice. Too much of anything is bad, including being too nice. If you cow every time, people don't respect you. If you wait too long for the timing, you miss the window. If you go too slow, she'll think you aren't interested and move on to Patrick from Coupling.
It should be pointed out that assholes that finish last are also too much the asshole.
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Date: 2006-03-15 04:17 pm (UTC)and
You answered one of my questions!
I'm gonna jump for joy, just a little bit ;)
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Date: 2006-03-15 04:40 pm (UTC)But also in my experience, the "nice guys" sometimes suffer from lack of self-confidence and extreme shyness, so often don't go after the girls they want or don't think they can get the girls they want. Dan was that way -- when we first started talking, he didn't think he deserved me and couldn't understand why I would want to be with him. Somedays I think he still takes that attitude, but luckily he's coming around :-)
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Date: 2006-03-15 04:53 pm (UTC)That's the best answer yet!
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Date: 2006-03-15 08:37 pm (UTC)i think it takes a bit of bitterness to live life, and those who try to supress it only end up hurting themselves.
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